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		<title>By: Becca</title>
		<link>http://jenfunkweber.com/childrens-writing/character-races.php/comment-page-1#comment-8755</link>
		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I&#039;m going to take the bait.</description>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://jenfunkweber.com/childrens-writing/character-races.php/comment-page-1#comment-8754</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Becca&#039;s notion that thoughtful and intelligent readers know a thing or two about writing. 

As for including character description, including race (or particularly race), I&#039;m convinced there&#039;s not a right answer, just a choice to make. 

On the one hand, it can be revealing and when well done, beautiful. Some of my critique partners are aces with description. I am not, so I prefer to minimize or avoid it when possible. 

On the other hand, if race is not relevant to the story, what&#039;s the harm in letting readers decide? We might prefer our characters be a specific race: one we know and are comfortable with, one we find attractive, one that reminds us of a friend who comes to mind when we read. If I like a story more because I imagine a character to be a race of my choice, all the better.

My vision of Aunt Elinor in the Inkheart books is not what Cornelia Funke had in mind. Too bad, so sad. I stand by my Aunt Elinor; I like her better.

As for your specific questions, Becca, regarding my vision of a girl character when it was supposed to be a boy...I reread the first two chapters again last night and found nothing that suggests to me definitively that the character is really male. (Yes, it&#039;s first person.) The chapters are short, and the scenes they cover are gender-neutral. I will, however, have Mike read the first two chapters and get his take.

What we get in the first two chapters are: voice (irreverent--it&#039;s YA, after all), a view of secondary characters, details of the setting, a clue about why the character is there.  

If the author (well-published male) were in my critique group, I would suggest he slip the character&#039;s name into Chapter 1. It would be a cinch; I noticed last night precisely where I&#039;d put it. It was a shock to discover my error and stopped me in my reading tracks, but I&#039;ve made the transition to a male character just fine; his male-ness becomes apparent in ways besides his name.

I don&#039;t think it will be an issue for the vast majority of readers because I don&#039;t think most people go so blindly into books. But I do sometimes, and I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not the only one. We&#039;re probably a tiny minority, but I&#039;m fairly certain I&#039;m not unique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Becca&#8217;s notion that thoughtful and intelligent readers know a thing or two about writing. </p>
<p>As for including character description, including race (or particularly race), I&#8217;m convinced there&#8217;s not a right answer, just a choice to make. </p>
<p>On the one hand, it can be revealing and when well done, beautiful. Some of my critique partners are aces with description. I am not, so I prefer to minimize or avoid it when possible. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if race is not relevant to the story, what&#8217;s the harm in letting readers decide? We might prefer our characters be a specific race: one we know and are comfortable with, one we find attractive, one that reminds us of a friend who comes to mind when we read. If I like a story more because I imagine a character to be a race of my choice, all the better.</p>
<p>My vision of Aunt Elinor in the Inkheart books is not what Cornelia Funke had in mind. Too bad, so sad. I stand by my Aunt Elinor; I like her better.</p>
<p>As for your specific questions, Becca, regarding my vision of a girl character when it was supposed to be a boy&#8230;I reread the first two chapters again last night and found nothing that suggests to me definitively that the character is really male. (Yes, it&#8217;s first person.) The chapters are short, and the scenes they cover are gender-neutral. I will, however, have Mike read the first two chapters and get his take.</p>
<p>What we get in the first two chapters are: voice (irreverent&#8211;it&#8217;s YA, after all), a view of secondary characters, details of the setting, a clue about why the character is there.  </p>
<p>If the author (well-published male) were in my critique group, I would suggest he slip the character&#8217;s name into Chapter 1. It would be a cinch; I noticed last night precisely where I&#8217;d put it. It was a shock to discover my error and stopped me in my reading tracks, but I&#8217;ve made the transition to a male character just fine; his male-ness becomes apparent in ways besides his name.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it will be an issue for the vast majority of readers because I don&#8217;t think most people go so blindly into books. But I do sometimes, and I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the only one. We&#8217;re probably a tiny minority, but I&#8217;m fairly certain I&#8217;m not unique.</p>
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		<title>By: Becca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shelly, I agree with everything you said, except the part about knowing nothing about writing. You are an intelligent and thoughtful reader- no one knows *more* about writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelly, I agree with everything you said, except the part about knowing nothing about writing. You are an intelligent and thoughtful reader- no one knows *more* about writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to character descriptions, I personally need some clues.  I definitely draw my own picture, but I need a little help along the way.  Long lists of fine detail bore me, but I like broad strokes.  Give me a little something to get started with and I&#039;ll fill in the rest.

Since I know absolutely nothing about writing, let me share with you my uneducated thoughts as a pure reader:  provide me with what one would see upon a very quick glance.  To me this includes gender, approximate age, and, yes, race.  Pehaps include hair color and type of clothing (dressy, utilitarian, etc).  Why not include race?  I don&#039;t see it as discriminatory or prejudicial.  Jen, I can look at you and my mind registers quickly &quot;female&quot;.  In the same way, I can look at Reiko (woman I worked with) and one quick impression is &quot;Korean&quot;.  Is either thought *wrong*?  I think not.  To me, it&#039;s pure observation and, in reading, these clues help with my mental picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to character descriptions, I personally need some clues.  I definitely draw my own picture, but I need a little help along the way.  Long lists of fine detail bore me, but I like broad strokes.  Give me a little something to get started with and I&#8217;ll fill in the rest.</p>
<p>Since I know absolutely nothing about writing, let me share with you my uneducated thoughts as a pure reader:  provide me with what one would see upon a very quick glance.  To me this includes gender, approximate age, and, yes, race.  Pehaps include hair color and type of clothing (dressy, utilitarian, etc).  Why not include race?  I don&#8217;t see it as discriminatory or prejudicial.  Jen, I can look at you and my mind registers quickly &#8220;female&#8221;.  In the same way, I can look at Reiko (woman I worked with) and one quick impression is &#8220;Korean&#8221;.  Is either thought *wrong*?  I think not.  To me, it&#8217;s pure observation and, in reading, these clues help with my mental picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Becca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I love the picture. You&#039;ve got a talented husband.</description>
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		<title>By: Becca</title>
		<link>http://jenfunkweber.com/childrens-writing/character-races.php/comment-page-1#comment-8748</link>
		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that is uh, different. I&#039;m guessing the book is in the first person. I wonder if an boy or man reading the book would identify the character as male. The next question is, is that lack of differentiation a good thing? I&#039;m really asking, not commenting. Do boys and girls really do things in so similar a way that gender becomes unimportant, or should the character have behaviors, quirks, mannerisms that reveal this. You&#039;re reading the book- what do you think? 
On race, I tend to agree that unless it&#039;s important to the story, there isn&#039;t a need. I do tend to include some description in my writing (please don&#039;t hate me), but I hope I don&#039;t stoop to the cliche. (An African-American friend of mine long ago wrote a poem to her boyfriend that began &quot;You&#039;re the sweetness I like my coffee and the color I like my toast...&quot; I actually really liked that.)
I tend to include description, not to tie down a character to my vision, but because we do generally notice things about others. I guess that&#039;s actually a case for describing characters other than the MC and perhaps not describing the MC- hmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that is uh, different. I&#8217;m guessing the book is in the first person. I wonder if an boy or man reading the book would identify the character as male. The next question is, is that lack of differentiation a good thing? I&#8217;m really asking, not commenting. Do boys and girls really do things in so similar a way that gender becomes unimportant, or should the character have behaviors, quirks, mannerisms that reveal this. You&#8217;re reading the book- what do you think?<br />
On race, I tend to agree that unless it&#8217;s important to the story, there isn&#8217;t a need. I do tend to include some description in my writing (please don&#8217;t hate me), but I hope I don&#8217;t stoop to the cliche. (An African-American friend of mine long ago wrote a poem to her boyfriend that began &#8220;You&#8217;re the sweetness I like my coffee and the color I like my toast&#8230;&#8221; I actually really liked that.)<br />
I tend to include description, not to tie down a character to my vision, but because we do generally notice things about others. I guess that&#8217;s actually a case for describing characters other than the MC and perhaps not describing the MC- hmm.</p>
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